What you want to see in KZTimer 2.0

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  1. Sup3rlum

    Sup3rlum wat?

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    Alright, whatever, I don't want to get into more arguments.


    Latest update:

    The way bunnyhopping works now, is that your previous Air Speed gets inserted into a Hyperbolic Tangent function. The result is then used as the jump-off speed. Here is a graph comparing speeds. The line line blue shows the latest KZTimer perf speed and the line in red shows KZEngine's reward system.
    [​IMG]

    The graph above shows speed reward when gaining speed, that is, when you still haven't reached 302.5.

    When bhopping at maximum pre, the speed required for the next bhop to be with maximum pre raises exponentially in the form of (x/q)^2 where x is the amount of previous bunnyhops at maximum pre and q is a server controlled slope variable. (For now q should be around 1.5f). Here is a graph showing the growth in difficulty when maintaining maximum pre bhops (y-axis is speed required, x-axis is no. of previous bhops):

    [​IMG]


    If the player fails to reach the speed required to maintain the next bhop, his pre speed is reset to 250 u/s.

    I implemented this so that:

    Doesn't happen :)

    There is also a counter which keeps track of the amount of maximum pre bhops achieved in a row:

    [​IMG]
     
  2. ruben

    ruben EXPERT Official Map Tester

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    what? LOL
    so if i give my opinion about something you suggested, its not worth talking about because you dont wanna get into any arguments?

    i didnt understand your reasoning behind it, and asked why, still yet to get an answer on this but youd rather ignore me because ^.
     
  3. sQuared

    sQuared PRO Sucks at KZ

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    Why are you playing the victim card so hard? Ruben stated his opinion of the Crouchbhop and asked the question "Do I understand this correctly?". Sure, he might have been hostile in the previous thread, but that msg was just what you requested: Constructive Criticism. Then it's up to you if you think that information is valuable or not

    If you don't want opinions that differ from yours, then why are you requesting it / posting on the forums?
     
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  4. cybur

    cybur SKILLED Mapper

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    no, as far as i can tell he removed the perf part of crouch bhopping for a little bit to test what its like.
    I'm sure as soon as he has a solution for perfs he will try fix crouch bhopping but thats just what i think.
     
  5. ruben

    ruben EXPERT Official Map Tester

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    so, i didnt understand it correctly, you can still crouch bhop but you wont get any perfs with it?
    then it sounds like its more like old crouch bhopping, before valve completely fucked it up.


    this is one of my older records where i had around 26 crouch bhops (give or take, literally went through the clip and counted them), this is also before valve fucked up crouch bhopping to the point it is today.
    i had 1 or 2 fail crouch bhops in the entire 7 minute run, thats how consistent crouch bhops were back then.

    it would be sick if you somehow made it like this again.

    nutty 116k views tho
     
  6. mistersisterfister

    mistersisterfister penis

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    Just to clarify; when you say crouch bhop with no perfs you are talking about back when you could get speeds between 85 and 250 out of chrouch bhops fairly consistently and when you could also get perfs leading to anything ≤380 right?

    If so I'd like for @Sup3rlum to explore this option as well, I don't like the full speed crouch bhops very much since they feel like a way to save a fucked up jump, but giving you the option to keep some speed in combos is fun imo.

    @Sup3rlum
    I haven't and won't have a chance to test the new chances until after the weekend at least but can you think of a way to formulate your generating function so that instead of being a hard reset at 250 you would get diminished returns based on how far from the goal you are. IDK if there is a neat and easy way to formulate this but I can imagine a hard reset to 250 might feel very bad when one is used to consistently higher speed.

    Again, I haven't had a chance to test and won't for a while, it might not even be an issue.
     
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  7. Sup3rlum

    Sup3rlum wat?

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    Yep it's all testing and fine tuning.
    The way it feels the hard reset is just like getting a series of (KZTimer 1.85 - 380 speed) perfs and then missing one.

    Glad we could work things out with @ruben;D

    I'm going to work on implementing a system for crouch bhops, as suggested by @ruben;D and @mistersisterfister
    :)
     
  8. xq_

    xq_ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Mapper

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  9. fLzi

    fLzi f Gon' Give It To Ya

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    sorry for going offtopic but is this b3? and if so is there a test version out there?
     
  10. DanZay

    DanZay Moderator Programmer Mapper

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    Apricity.
     
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  11. pLekz

    pLekz uh

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  12. Café

    Café CASUAL

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  13. mistersisterfister

    mistersisterfister penis

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    Why wouldn't that be happening rn...

    The fuck are people even.
     
  14. DanZay

    DanZay Moderator Programmer Mapper

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    I will take ideas for my own experimenting if you guys still got more.
     
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  15. Sikari

    Sikari PRO Staff Member KZGlobalAdmin Programmer

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    Pls code kztimer 2.0
     
  16. Sup3rlum

    Sup3rlum wat?

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    Hehe nothing like a good h3h3 triggered meme.

    I gave Chuckles all of my (probably futureless) work, spiced up the kz community with unnecessary drama, triggered some haters, and I saw that KZ is going down and I'm not going to play it (nor that i have the time to do so anyways), had some fun AHK-ing, saw people that had motivation start becoming a part of this community and called @Sachburger a virgin (the one he probably is anyways ;)).
    I think my job is done here, honestly had some fun time!

    About the work on KZTimer - I did everything I have the power to. Global bot system DB, DB-ing in general, is not my business in KZ. Trying to pleasure 20 different people, kinda was.
    About AHK-ing, I learned a thick amount of information. Even so I can tell that A LOT more people script than everybody thinks, but fortunately I don't need to say any names. That guy Sup3rlum with a silent 287.9 in da corner killed KZ inside and out, better ban him cuz we can't prevent him in the first place. :)

    To all my dear and, well, non-dear, please focus on the real problems,
    fare well.
     
  17. Ryan

    Ryan :thinking:

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    If you think that because there is no anti cheat then you can cheat then your retarded.
     
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  18. persona

    persona heh Mapper Pro Player

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    Wants to send message about cheating, AHKs on 3kilks server. AYY LMAO
     
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  19. Zpamm

    Zpamm Hold Tight

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    before you leave, do you think that sup3rlum kid was using AHK?
     
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  20. Sup3rlum

    Sup3rlum wat?

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    hmmm tough to say, his strafes are diagonal so no.

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    BTW, One nice person asked me to do this:
    Remember kids, don't cheat, cheating is bad and it doesn't help anyone! Anybody that is cheating is cheating themselves.

    But the people giving it serious traction over more important things are perfectly fine :D. As I said previously - that Sup3rlum kid/guy/weaaboo killed everyone with his 18-strafe jump. Better find some cover from the corrupted global times flying everywhere!

    BTW #2. Okay I get it, I'm guilty, if that makes anyone happy, peace out now, good luck to everyone :)
     

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