What makes a map good or bad in your opinion?

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  1. Overdo$e

    Overdo$e SKILLED Mapper

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    I thought it would be a good idea to get everyone's opinion on what makes a map good or bad and what kind of kz you enjoy the most. Maybe this can give mappers a good idea what the competitive players like the most.
    If you guys could give examples of good parts of certain maps, or just maps as a whole that would be great.

    I think it would be interesting to see if tech, combo or strafe heavy kz is preferred.

    For me combo maps are the most enjoyable, easy to finish hard to master. I also enjoy well implemented surf like on kim_hana. The things I dislike the most are spikes, a lot of 64 height blocks(like on kz_obsidian) and awkward distances between blocks.

    I hope you guys can give me some insight in what you prefer in a map, so I can use that information for my next map.
     
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  2. Dr.crazy

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    combo maps are always fun but I prefer it to be broken up with something else if I'm gona play the map multiple times
     
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  3. 8ball

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    bad: ladders
     
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  4. Carrier

    Carrier EXPERT Pro Player

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    i like moving blocks
     
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  5. MachineChaos

    MachineChaos Zane Pro Player

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    anything that requires skill is bad in my books honestly. shoutout to bkz_impulse best map ever made
     
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  7. Danvari

    Danvari SKILLED Official Map Tester

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    Too many height blocks/difficut longjumps make a bind map and a bind map is bad design. A decent example would be kz_orbolution_v2 or even bkz_apricity. Another way to check if a map is a bind map is to see if burhac has the world record on it.

    Also long bhop sequences/too many bhop sequences. Maps with them end up being more about who does a bhop sequence flawlessly rather than who was faster. Good example would be kz_zhop_son_fix. Your kz_abstruse_od suffers a bit from that too.
     
  8. PlastiS

    PlastiS 一番 Video Editor Pro Player

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    ayy maen dont talk shit about obsidian its good map pls dont remove)))
     
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  9. pLekz

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    Personally i'm a huge fan of speed maps with a large skill separation with non RNG aspects. Maps that have high emphasis on block speed and micro with lots of crouch mechanics instead of just mindless combo's where the WR is only decided by perfs. Examples of these maps are natureblock (although that one has become a bit perfy, it's still quite micro heavy), beginnerblock, fikablock, spiritblock (before it got ruined by the bind), lavablock and sukblock. These maps all have a very high skill ceiling with little RNG. The thing I like about them is that a good player can have the exact same route as an insane player and still get a slower time than the better player purely from blockspeed and micro not being as fast. This is what I personally see as really good KZers and therefore more of those type of maps would be nice.
     
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  10. nykaN

    nykaN PRO Official Map Tester Mapper

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    Mostly I like variation. A map that isn't combo all the way through, a map that isn't all crouch jumps, but something with both. Preferably with ladders and also well implemented surfs. Prefer harder maps but not too hard, since they're annoying to grind imo.
     
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    Danvari SKILLED Official Map Tester

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  12. ollyabc

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    I like maps where you climb things.
     
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  13. Ballistic Bacon

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    all the bad maps are good to me
    i love and hate colorcode
     
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  14. Overdo$e

    Overdo$e SKILLED Mapper

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    Was looking for this kind of reply, thanks.
     
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  15. PlastiS

    PlastiS 一番 Video Editor Pro Player

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    I don't know how to explain maps that enjoy really as I don't really know all the terms for maps, I like broken maps a lot tho.
    Maps I really enjoy right now though is obsidian, signs_v2, cargo both new and old versions of it.
    I really enjoyed running old version of blindcity with the 380 skip, I used to enjoy 2seasons but then it fucked up my shoulder so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, Cascade now that the new skip has been found is quite enjoyable because it removed all the bhop parts, chinablock (honorable mention portal_1 and farm but they're removed now so /wrists) are some of the maps I can think of right now I could probably find more maps I enjoy and think are good but I'd rather not get a massive list. But I would say its quite a variation of maps.
     
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  16. ollyabc

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    Off topic but can someone maybe make a vid of this sc?
     
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  17. PlastiS

    PlastiS 一番 Video Editor Pro Player

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    no someone is gonna beat my time then :(
    (maybe if i have time tomorrow/later)
     
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  18. Cthulhu

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    same, but you already know that. :)
     
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  19. MachineChaos

    MachineChaos Zane Pro Player

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    there's two. one skill based surf one that skips 50% of the map (think kz_ancient_v2 skip but harder) and just some shitty slide up a wall for 1 minute sc
     
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  20. PlastiS

    PlastiS 一番 Video Editor Pro Player

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    theres 3 actually, the 50% that not many know how to do, slide up the wall (the newest) and do a surf skip that makes u skip 2-3 rooms iirc
     
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