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  1. ♥Z$

    ♥Z$ SCRUB

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    Hey everyone,

    To start off, I've been kzing for most of my life and something that's always missing is more in depth statistics. It's great because most of these statistics can be collected on many servers and dispersed in once place (this website). The problem is, no one can look at their stats unless they are a top 10 kz'er.

    Surf mod is one example of what in depth statistics can do for a mod and ultimately why surf is so much more popular then kz. For one, there's several more ranks then just trainee, skilled, expert, etc. It provides users an achievable rank other then getting 20k points (regular to skilled or skilled to expert for instance). I understand ranks are server side because the points are gained on the server, but more ranks could be added to the actual plugin. Secondly, global times (top 10 or not) should be featured off the kz-stats website. If this forum isn't affiliated with kz-stats, you guys should seriously consider making a global time list that includes ALL times and not just the top 10 players on a map.

    I understand there's only one suggestion here but I'm just trying to get the discussion going on this since it appears not much conversation is occurring on the subject of statistics. KZ has something unique, where all global times are linked under one plugin. Making it so statistics are shown for all your members will make kz a more popular mod.
     
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  2. jord

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    Maybe it's too early and I haven't slept much, but I am having a hard time comprehending exactly what you're saying.
     
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  3. ♥Z$

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    Yeah it certainly isn't my most well written piece. I'm basically asking for a more advanced statistic tracking system.
     
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  4. MachineChaos

    MachineChaos Zane Pro Player

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    Why do you want more statistics? And what kind of statistics do you want?
    Top 20 times are featured on kzstats. And for reference, all kzstats does is display what kztimer sends it. So it's not a change to the website you want, it's a change to the plugin.
     
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  5. ♥Z$

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    Most statistics in terms of jump stats, time on server, etc. In other words, stats that get outputted when typing !rank or whatever the server has. And top 20 times still make it so people over rank 20 can't check their stats.
     
  6. jord

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    Problem with global jumpstats is the abundance of lj scripters or bhop hacks that occur daily. Then someone would need to remove them over and over again and it becomes a hassle.
     
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  7. MachineChaos

    MachineChaos Zane Pro Player

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    As @jord said, global jumpstat tables are unrealistic. Also I'm assuming there is some limitations to the plugin/database that doesn't allow for global top 50+ times or something like that. @Chuckles or @Sikari could probably jump in and give you a better answer. Personally, I wouldn't be interested in anything past top 30 times. Most maps are not competitive enough to even properly fill a top 20 anyway with good times anyway.
     
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  8. jord

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    @MachineChaos put it nicely. The thing about surf compared to kz is surf is relatively a lot easier, that's why it has such a bigger community. Kz sounds simple on paper, but when you compare the tech you have (longjumping, strafing, crouch micro, ladderjumps) to surf (maybe I'm just talking out of my ass bc I haven't surfed very much) there's a big difference. As for the top 20 times, in most maps at the moment there is usually the top 5-10 pretty decent times and then the last 10 "woah, I didn't know that my run would be top 20" times. Anything past that wouldn't be very interesting to a lot of players.
     
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  9. Chuckles

    Chuckles SEMIPRO Staff Member KZGlobalAdmin Programmer KZ Server Owner

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    I've always seen this as the purview of the server owners.

    What kind of statistics would you be interested in seeing? I've got access to over a half a million player times to look at.
     
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    I've always wanted a way to see my fastest times on each map across all servers, if you could implement something like that it would be incredible.
     
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  12. ♥Z$

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    Ok, so maybe do it for the top kz servers that have active moderators (HoC, sG, endo, etc). As for jumpstats, I'd be shocked if the servers weren't running some sort of GOTV. I am not sure how hard this is to code, but if someone breaks a record, it snips the lj and sends it to someone to review? Once again this would only be on top servers so hopefully the values wouldn't change much.

    Most people do surf or kz so they can build on their skills in matches. I also think that almost anyone would agree that kz is more applicable to a match then surf is. Watch out for phoon bhopping 3k u/s around a corner in mm! In all seriousness, you are totally right, kz seems more detailed then surf. But that doesn't mean you should only have 6 ranks or 15 times shown. The !rank shows the top 100 players. Linking that data to the site would also be cool.

    Times, maybe stopwatch times for shortish maps so I can see how I'm running (similar to how surf does checkpoints). This would work by either showing the pace of the first place player or of your own stopwatched time. Secondly, when typing !rank, it should show your time on the server and on global (maybe with stopwatch times here as well) so you can see how you did and where you need to improve. Maybe include wr split times next to yours? Ultimately, it would we awesome to have a player profile for each player so you could link it on your steam profile or something.

    I already mentioned this too, but more ranks to climb would also be fun.

    The problem is, I haven't seen any kz owners enact this. It's obvious you have a times database because you can see the top 100 pro and tp times. Why not include that info on your website?

    EDIT: I also wanted to mention this is all hypothetical and I know there's going to be some issues if you chose to implement any of these stats changes in the code. I have most of you on here as friends so if you want any more ideas I would be happy to brainstorm. Just send me a message and I'll coming up with fun and interesting ways to check your kz performance.
     
  13. PlastiS

    PlastiS 一番 Video Editor Pro Player

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    most servers do not use a GOTV because its broken when using the replay bots
     
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  14. Chuckles

    Chuckles SEMIPRO Staff Member KZGlobalAdmin Programmer KZ Server Owner

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    Also it would be a ton of space.
     
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  15. Krushed

    Krushed PRO Official Map Tester Mapper

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    Space doesn't weigh anything NotLikeThis
     
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  16. ♥Z$

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    What about storing for a week or something small?

    Also, what was your opinion on adding more ranks?
     
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    no
     
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  18. zorb

    zorb toxic retard Mapper

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    Surf is more popular than KZ because it's easier and more noob friendly, it has nothing to do with ranks/stats. Anyone can hop in a beginner surf map and hold D or A on a ramp and have 'fun'. KZ is more complex IMO, strafing and mastering comboing and other skills can take years and lots of hours to learn. Also, this is affiliated with KZStats and it shows the top20 times on a map, not 10. A lot of people in the community have fun going for top20 times because it is an accomplishment to be on the top 20 page of a map and see yourself in comparison to some of the best kzers in the world. I understand what your saying, kinda, but I feel like KZ has come a LONG way since when I first started as a shitty over 2 years ago.
     
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  19. GameChaos

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    global ranks would be cool
     
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  20. ♥Z$

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    Well...alright I guess haha. Was kinda hoping for chuckles to talk about it. Maybe ill send him a message on steam when I get home :p

    Yeah someone else mentioned this above. What I was stating about kz though is it's better for your game play then surfing is. I would also say surf has a steep learning curve, as only a few maps are as simple as holding d and a on a ramp. KZ on the other hand has several easy maps that users can pick their way too. Alternatively, these easy maps become harder as you go for global competitive times. The problem is, some of us aren't good enough to reach top 20 on every map so we can't necessarily track our times. I think it would be awesome to show top 100 times on something like kz-stats. A global website that shows the top 100 players for every map. Maybe that's the answer I'm looking for?

    And if we can't have global ranks, add more ranks in general!
     
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